Unless you know it's a legitimate issue that impairs your physical and/or mental ability to carry out your duties, don't say a thing. A young woman wanted to join the Air Force and went to MEPS. It is not the recruiters job to get you into the military, nor is it MEPS' job to disqualify you. If it won't come up again or if you don't need a TS-SCI, you can get away with not telling. : r/USMCboot. First, you are the one liable WHEN you get busted lying. I don't suggest lying, but literally almost everyone I know of has lied about something. We all come to this website for information and most of us have been corrected on our approach by the main contributors in some fashion. It was not a mistake for being honest at MEPS, it was a mistake for being dishonest on the paperwork. (yes pretty much threw him and his boss underneath the bus). Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. They only care in the beginning because they don't want to waste money on you for "XYZ" reason for processing, no matter how bullshit it is. Downside, potentially get caught, hit with fraudulent enlistment, permanently disqualified. I'm certain they won't be. Quite a few of the guys in my squadron had a screw lose. Cookie Notice My ex, who was batshit crazy, probably Bi-polar and was on meds most of her teen life lied about it ALL at MEPs. They need to have a psychologist evaluate everyone at meps. Yes. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Yet I come on this forum and nearly every single hopeful has 4 LORs from all sorts of military personnel and powerful individuals. When we started to fill out similar questions with the recruiter I started saying 'yes' on some of the questions. When I went to MEPs, like most people, I had something to lie about. or "Do you have a history of depression? If you are 100% sure that both are non-issues and you can perform without them holding you back, then just don't mention it. That's what the exam is for, to make sure you're fit for duty. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. He said the tests they do would not notice the lasik scar it's only if you tell them you had lasik that they do more in depth tests if there's any issues. So I was told to go into his office and asked me if I was lying about any paperwork and that is there anything I didn't disclose with my recruiter or if I have done drugs. MEPS consult will do the corneal mapping, so no, we don't just guess at the diagnosis. They do that at the School of Infantry. 03-10-09, 06:54 PM #10. redsox1804. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. The forms tell you that you must disclose it. Having inconsistencies on your forms vs verbal answers is usually a major issue and will make it very difficult for you to get into the Marines now. Know what makes you a poor candidate. For every one of these little vignettes there is an outstanding Soldier, Sailor, Airperson or Marine that said "No" when asked, and is out there doing outstanding shit. Has "just asking for a friend" EVER worked, even if true? The lesson is that we need to make it impossible for people to lie. May 6, 2020. What Is The Biggest Lie You Ever Heard, Told Or Someone Told You? Want to learn about deploying, finances, mental health, cross-rating, and more? Do not encourage lying. MEPS threaten to put these kids in fucking prison if they lie, and they lie anyway. . The paper requests numbers from the pre-surgery, 90 days after pre-surgery, and a month after that. A recent post made me think of these questions. So ur saying stay off the pills for 90 days and I doesnt come up?how? Looking at your previous 11 posts it looks like you might be joining the Marines. from USMCboot. Penalties for False Enlistment As stated on the Army enlistment contract you sign, lying at MEPS regarding medical or mental health history is a terrible idea with serious implications. One new winner* is announced every week! You must log in or register to reply here. ), Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC Copyright 2006-2023, Service Academy Forums is a registered trademark of Arborry Hill Road Company, LLC. It's sometimes better to keep your trap shut and deal with possible consequences later. Yes, you need to be caught in the lie, but that isn't as difficult as you might think. A young man decided to join the Air Force and contacted a Recruiter. The young man did see another counselor in the same clinic, who identified several other stressors in his life, including moving away from home to begin college, worries about the cost of college, and a strong fear of public speaking. Everyone I know lied about something, he'll if everyone was honest about drug use there wouldn't be a military. Option 2: Lie. I was in the same spot. My recruiter sent a 10 page report from the doctor along with the 'Refractive Eye Surgery Checklist' paper my recruiter gave me. And more people are going to lie now that everyone is getting diagnosed with ADHD because they're not interested in school (and ADHD is a disqualifier). You're assuming her recruiter didn't know With the rise of electronic medical records it'll become extremely hard to lie for meps. Fraudulent Entry can get you kicked out of the military. Then I met his boss; Sub-station commander. SSG Sean Donahue - Though your verbiage is way bolder than mine (my post on this issue is above) I fully agree with you!!!! What is the worst that can happen? Just get off the meds asap, and keep your shit together for however long your recruiter says you need to. The flap is then placed back into its original position. And you'll be sidelined forever. You are using an out of date browser. Alright, you've got me interested. It seems like the most important mission of the army right now its safety and risk management, and with that in mind, it doesn't seem even remotely worth the risk. Lying will. Do not lie, falsify, or hide information. Forgetting the medical side of this for a moment You must log in or register to reply here. Handle this the right way, as you should all things. As a result, his history of mental health wasn't assessed by MEPS. By logging into your account, you agree to our. Also, while you wait for a reply from a subject matter expert, try using the search feature! How do you think they would perform in a deployment, or at a remote assignment like Turkey or Greenland, or if they married and their future spouse later divorced them? If the answer is YES, congrats shipmates just got injured or even died on your watch. Further, he won't be able to enlist nor commission in any branch of the military ever again. A magnifying glass. I got disqualified to join the Air Force/military and I wanted to let you all know what was going on and how I was disqualified by MEPS.. I was honest at MEPS. I didn't mention it at the physical, everything when fine. On the way to Meps we got a call from the Chief who asked us if we had ever been asked to lie, had criminal charges etc. About 3 years before joining the Air Force, his cousin attempted suicide. Should I be honest with my recruiter and try to get a waiver? I plan on waiting the 6 months. Do people go to jail for lying at MEPS? The wrist has handled push ups every other day since I was cleared to get back to it and my eyes are perfect, but I'll know for sure at 6 months. She joined the army and just before graduating AIT she decided the Army wasn't for her (I told her not to do it, but did she listen? For candidates lurking here, seeing how the post might apply to their own application, whether for SA or ROTC or OCS: If you have to ask should I Iie, then you already know the answer. What should I do. They don't understand how a broken leg or asthma when they were a kid can come back, they don't understand how mental issues are severely exacerbated under stress-- because they think their phone breaking is stress, and they dealt with that just fine. Processing Stations (MEPS) Your visit to a Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) determines your mental aptitude, as well as physical and moral qualifications for enlistment in the Army. After a few weeks, he began to complain of chest tightness, shortness of breath, and tunnel vision, which are classic signs of Exercise Induced Asthma (EIA), a potentially disqualifying condition. You may need further evaluation or counseling before you can live a rigorous military lifestyle. Lied at meps now need TS clearance - ClearanceJobs Blog So if you do lie and something goes wrong at buds, they do have the right to dig through your medical history and they will probably find out about the surgery and lasik. And yet when the recruiter tells them to lie so he doesn't have to do paperwork they always believe him that no one will find out. Because the military does not. Though would documentation from a psychologist count as documentation from a doctor bc I dont know how familiar doctor at a hospital would be with something related to a different field of medicine. Not sure why I didnt expect this or was told this. The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . My dad said hell no, lost 60lbs and 6 years later has had zero knee pain. I was at SOI-West last summer. They might nowWhy would you pose a question on a public website. What I love is everyone parrots RECRUITERS ALWAYS LIE. It allows MEPS to see your entire Electronic Health Record (EHR). Most major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. (Navy). I don't want to waste the time of past professors and employers if it doesn't matter. If it had been correctly disclosed, he likely would have required a waiver and additional counseling before joining the Air Force. I even believed that my OR would appreciate my persistence in trying to get more info while he is on leave this week. Don't even mention the scar unless they ask then keep it minimal "that was just from when I was a kid" if they ask more "yeah I was biking and fell" simple is good. I lied at MEPs about multiple things, I don't think it has affected my ability to be a soldier. May 14, 2016 Just a note, if you decide to lie about it, you need to be sure that you won't let it slip sometime later. Recruiter told me to lie . He was counseled, evaluated, and treated for EIA. Sometimes Its in medical professionals best interests to lie. When you're an officer and in a time-sensitive situation where lives are on the line, do you really think you have time to triple check? Or should I be honest with my recruiter and if I cant get a waiver, lie at MEPS. uuugh, it was hot. Fraudulent Enlistment. Do not attempt to interpret the questions your recruiter and MEPS will ask you--answer them as they are written. Press J to jump to the feed. I got both of these surgeries in order to be a seal, and would fucking hate if the reason I can't get in are the very surgeries I got in order to qualify for training. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. If I were you I would lie and say it's from a camping trip or something. Accidentally or on purpose are applicable. I think the chief issue is your pattern of distrust..and confidence in superiors. After a long conversation with my doc he said there is no way for them to find out unless you tell them. One of the worst things in the world is getting a fraudulent enlistment discharge after making it through 2 months of boot. Retired in '02 as a Senior Chief(E-8 for you landlubbers). 1) I have been told by my Officer Recruiter that I do NOT need any Letters of Recommendation for a package. After boot camp is MCT where all Marines go regardless of MOS. View Profile View Forum Posts View Blog Entries View Articles View Gallery Uploads Marine Friend . One guy kept getting ahold of his prrsonal items somehow and got caught playing a saxophone in the barracks. Second, I got a ganglion cyst removed last summer. But Im afraid that they will go back on my medical records and find out I lied . So they just left that section blank and filled in the most recent appointment, making it look as if i never went in at all until just the other day. and was it a mistake for being honest at MEPS? Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. So I handed all of my medical and education records that he said to not worry about to the recruiter. He did well on the entrance exams and was motivated to succeed. Anyone with any experience or advice? I had lasik about 6 months ago and the recruiter originally told me that all I would need is a letter filled out by the doctor. Good luck to you. Further, patients often don't ask what their diagnosis is--the patient is focused on their problems and not the administrivia in a medical record. 48.3k Members 151 Online Created Sep 13, 2012 Join Top posts december 6th 2015 Top posts of december, 2015 Top posts 2015 By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The cousin survived, and revealed she was deep in a gambling debt. I think the lesson here is not to tell people to disclose everything, becausethey won't. If you lie about it at MEPS, and get Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. A slight delay in schedule will not change your end game. I'm guessing you're done. Lasik and Meps processing Currently trying to fill out a packet for OCS, but my recruiter informed me that meps declined my medical history. Let's Talk 3..e-mail: nathaliemunoz@live.comSubject "Let's Talk" you can send me anything you want from any topic!Previous LET'S TALK:1. https://goo.gl/jim. You are using an out of date browser. The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . My recruiter is telling me that some things are best left unsaid. 1. The recruiter will come up with the necessary "details" of what happened and will move on to the next recruit. ; and he asked my friend if he had ever smoked pot. One of those better to ask for forgiveness than permission situations it seems. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. Know all the risks and procedure limitations. You might think to yourself, "How could he not know that he needed to disclose this information?" Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. I just finished MEPS after having LASIK.I had to provide all medical documentation from the surgery (pre-op, post-op information, etc.) Adhd is no big deal, however if it's serious I would lie. For instance another friend went to meps and when he was doing the eye portion he was wearing contacts and the guy checking him didn't even notice. If people can lie about weed I dont see any moral dilemma about you lying about ADHD. This video I react to a video that JTsuits made where a person was kicked out of navy Bootcamp due to them being medically unfit. I swear I've met more dudes getting chaptered in the infantry for mental problems (like a few guys are mentally insane) than I ever imagined. The girl with the suicide attempt would not be allowed to enlist today though. What is the biggest lie you have ever told or been told, The following errors occurred with your submission. 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