Some boys failed the initial inspection which only lengthen their time in the freezing conditions. The water was freezing cold, we never had hot water. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). At the tip of the Shotley peninsular sits a cluster of abandoned buildings that were once home to hundreds of young lads right at the start of their lives at sea. (LogOut/ JavaScript is disabled. Contents 1 Foundation and early history 1.1 Allegations of abuse 2 Ganges at Harwich 3 Ganges at Shotley 3.1 1906 changes 3.2 Later developments 3.3 First World War 3.4 Post war developments 3.5 Ganges in the Second World War 3.6 Postwar and closure 4 References 5 External links HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits were stationed. There was a seamanship officer at the boat sheds. Learn how your comment data is processed. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's This gallery has been set up as a home for images that have not so far been added to the Museums Official Website https://www.hmsgangesmuseum.com/ ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth), Listen to No Flowers for Geordie on SoundCloud. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. last entry 16.30 We are also please to welcome visitors at any other time by prior appointment - please telephone 01473 788315 or 01473 788723 to arrange this. From it came bloodcurdling cries of command, so frightening that I most surely would have obeyed them myself, if had I understood what they meant. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). Other things we had to do included, clean a toilet with a toothbrush, polish a hundred square feet of block-wood flooring with a boot brush every night before going to bed, paint the inside of a dustbin white before putting your rubbish into it. The inquiry was carried out by Hampshire Police after debit card transactions of 4,200 and cash machine withdrawals totalling 74,000 were made from the association's bank accounts between August 2010 and June 2012. Offenders, known in the Navy as "defaulters", were mustered every morning and went before the Captain for a formal hearing, where they could be "awarded" up to 12 "cuts" -- very hard strokes of She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). HMS Ganges is situated on the Shotley Peninsula in Suffolk. The mast was erected in 1907 for boy entrant training purposes using the lower foremast (steel) from HMS Cordelia (1881) with other sections from the mizzen mast of HMS Agincourt (1865). [1] The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. Find BBC News: East of England on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. "Most of what was on the site went to the naval museum in Portsmouth, but we have the honours board and figurehead from the original ship. Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. Read about our approach to external linking. These were all regular happenings at Ganges. Welcome Guest. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. contact the editor here. yes I was there in 92 .Essex, Nolfolk , Herts Suffolk and Cambs police all used it. "They had a hard life, but they were fed and looked after. The culprit was brought before the Commanders table, the punishment was awarded as six or twelve cuts. The pipe (whistle) was used aboard ship for passing orders and instructions. The cinemas would be packed with rows of Ganges boys in uniform and the caf at the corner of St Stephen's Lane would sell them many cups of tea as they waited for their bus back to Shotley. Each of us was required to construct a printing block using letters carved in wood. Did my intro to Pusser at HMS Raleigh in ' 52 . The association said it had about 3,000 members and at the time of the offences its income from membership fees was about 30,000 a year. Back in the mess, this safe haven shielding us from those torturous sounds, the junior instructors' suspiciously cheerful faces greeted us. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. HP10 9TY. My instructors were Nobby Clarke and Ted Roe. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. "It's very high - you get a good view though.". Some 100 boy-sailors were in the canteen, chewing and chattering; clattering knives forks and spoons against plates and bowls. Editors' Code of Practice. His early life was hard by any standards. Our abuse contact API returns data containing information belonging to the abuse contact of every IP address on the Internet. She had taken on the previous duties from the wooden ship H.M.S. It had to be neatly folded and stacked, each item one above the other, with each item measuring exactly nine inches wide and one inch flat. HMS Ganges moved moorings from Harwich to Shotley. Boys were permitted to march through the streets of Ipswich with bayonets fixed. The kindly chef asked me whether I intended to eat the mountain of food I'd heaped on my plate or climb it! 1959 and what a bugger Ganges turned out to be. HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). I arrived at Ganges in the late afternoon on March 15th 1955, along with roughly a hundred other fifteen year old boys. MT2 Served from 1965 - 2021 Served in HMS Ganges. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? Once the situation eases a bit there will be tangible progress to be seen.. Sad to see such an establishment close as it was so full of history and meant so much to so many. Martin Foster was treasurer for veterans who served at HMS Ganges training base in Sufffolk. He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit . "In 1860 she was decommissioned and laid up, and in 1866 she was turned into a training ship, and her guns were removed. 1905 to 1976 saw 150,000 recruits pass through HMS Ganges. 1914. For spite I think, because it wasn't compulsory. They faced what was without doubt the most severe punishment, cuts. Commander was Trick and a good egg. There were stories of many similar violations but none ever reported. However lessons, culminating in a test, were much more difficult. From the top of the mast, its a long way to come ! If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Outbreak of World War One. It was easy to spot those who had been here the longest. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. Among his many punishments, he suffered cuts, a particularly brutal form of Naval punishment. . View of the iconic mast at the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. The latest development means that construction work could start immediately, however, due to the coronavirus outbreak, progress has been delayed. Royal Navy 238217 Ordinary Seaman HMS Niobe . attempted to climb to the top of the mast, Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Aboriginal spears taken in 1770 to return to Sydney, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart. I wrote this song a long time ago. It was a facade hiding unknown treasures unknown tricks for us to perform, the first of which was to mark our kit with our names. For more information, please see our Privacy Policy, Please enter a password with 6 characters or more. HMS Ganges. A Gannett Company. According to the HMS Ganges Museum, her timbers were used to make objects including a grand staircase on an estate, and a cocktail bar in a small hotel, both in Devon. Heard so much about HMS Ganges though and it sounded very good for developing 'real sailors ' but as much as I hate to admit it I suspect it would have been too much for me . It would not be an exaggeration to say not one of us had the slightest idea of what lay in store for the next year. Drake 39 mess At least the cubicles in the heads had doors on this time. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE, HE'S NOT HERE TODAYTHE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAYFIFTEEN YEARS OF LEARNING, HE'LL NOT GO DOWN THE MINESO WE TOOK HIM NEAR TO IPSWICH TOWNFAR FROM THE SEAMS OF THE TYNEIN A PLACE THEY STILL CALL 'GANGES' WITH TWO THOUSAND OTHER BOYSHE LEARNED TO SPLICE AND SAIL A BOATTALL ORDERS WERE HIS TOYSTHE 'BULLY BOYS' CAME NIGHTLY, DID THINGS A BOY COUNDN'T TELLBUT THEY MADE HIM WRITE IN HIS LETTERS HOME MAMMA YOU'R BOY'S DOIN WELLTHEN NEWS CAME OF SOME FIGHTING IN A FAR OFF DISTANT LANDWE NEED THOSE BOYS THUS SPAKE FOUR RINGSIN OUR BIG SHIPS THEY CAN RIDEIT'S WRITTEN ON HIS PAPERS, TWAS NOT THE DEED OF A MAN BUT A WAVE THAT TOOK MY GEORDIE BOYFIVE MILES OFF PLYMOUTH SOUNDSO NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE HE'S NOT HERE TODAY THE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAY. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. The number of air raids at Shotley began to increase dramatically and its ratings soon had to go to the air . Tangible progress to transform a former Suffolk naval training base into nearly 300 homes, a sports park, shops and a GP surgery could be seen once the coronavirus lockdown is over. Probably running away was the worse decision, they were always caught and returned to the camp. in the RN with the nickname Doc. I heard many boys saying things like , dont bend over in front of the seamanship officer, or always face him dont turn around. The white letters would then be transformed, by our nimble fingers, into red with silk thread using the chain stitch. They say you never forget the place and I agree. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. Rather than do the two as a pongo I signed on the dotted line for a dozen , best thing I ever did and I regret not staying in for the full time . Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Paperback - 22 Nov. 1995 by John Douglas (Author), John Wheatley (Illustrator) 6 ratings Paperback 12.00 8 Used from 8.90 H.M.S. Captain Tremlett, the Senior Officer of training ships, was ordered to investigate the situation and reported that Commander Stevens 'had given punishments . His fellow recruit, Phil Bridge, said it was "a sad day, because it means a lot to us", but he was looking forward to a restored mast being returned. H.M.S. It began snowing on Boxing Day. In attendance was a senior officer, medical officer and the master at arms. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. Babergh District councillor Ganges, Derek Davis, said: From my own personal perspective I have seen how closely our officers and our planning team have worked with the owners of the site and I can imagine that once the lockdown is over and the guys get started, progress will be made very quickly. My heart sank and my elation evaporated as I desperately tried to quash all fears of my body falling from the Devil's Elbow. JavaScript is disabled. Helpful. They were both Ordinary Seamen, one aged 17 and the other aged 18. The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained . As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. A Gannett Company. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. It was as we crossed the parade ground the whole bunch of us suddenly froze and spun to face a huge aircraft-hanger-of-a-building running along its length. The next six years passed with regular naval detentions, ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth) exhausting punishments, solitary confinements, ending with a twelve month sentence in the infamous HMP Corradino, Malta. contact the editor here. Used to have chats with old Tick-Tock and RPO Salmon gave me my 1 postal order when the max was really ten bob. Im here as my Son (15) wants to join the RN - Wellbeck route AIB soon. First time ever looking at any RN sights. I recall watching a boy, who had been thrown in the deep end of the swimming pool, struggling in the water while a sadistic instructor smiled, saying, 'Look what happens if you can't bloody well swim?' A question of Religion?Maybe MaybeNot???? Well this seems a good time to see if this site works properly. later times). We caught up with Jim Dines, Director of TS Rigging, whose team. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Dave Walton RN retired. He was an Electricians Mate Class 1 and served in, 12/03/35-09/01/36 HMS Ganges. Charles Dickens might have penned it the best of times and the worst of times. The 142-foot high (43 m) mast was erected in 1907. Attempts have been made to contact developers Haylink Ltd but have been unsucessfull. Every letter, every strip of tape had to be in a perfect line. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Print length 264 pages Language English Publisher Second City Publishers, Penmarth, Cornwall Publication date 22 Nov. 1995 ISBN-10 090681605X ISBN-13 Free (donations towards running costs are welcome) He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit, . 1905. First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. July 27, Awarded the Freedom of Ipswich. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can George Douglas Blake HMS Warspite. Mr W Im sure the surprise and very welcome CD that popped through my letter box today was from you dear sir, so thanks very much and Im looking forward to listening to it very soon. Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS. The boy was made lower his trousers, but kept is underpants on, he was made to bend over a chair. George Blake joined the Navy in 1935 and served up to 1950. To get out of the showers we had to stand before our instructor legs apart arms raised for inspection. Sailors' uniforms were a familiar sight in our area until HMS Ganges closed in June 1976. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. Today in Naval History - Naval / Maritime Events in History 13 March 1653 - Death of Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) was a Dutch designer, draughtsman, and painter, most famous for. Maybe we boxed each other in the Shotley annexe! Former recruit John Youngman said it would be "nice to see it restored to its former glory". Peter Cook. From the annexe, I had sometimes seen it, partly hidden by snowy skies as it towered above the buildings, and it looked frightening then, but now, marching beneath its cobweb rigging, it looked truly awesome. On the remainder of the command 'Bayonets' the left hand pulled the bayonet from the scabbard, placed it on the barrel of the rifle and, with a quick twist of the wrist, secured it in place. At Gagnes they spent 12 months training, and they learned everything you need to do to run a ship. Helpful Report abuse Kindle Customer Sorting The Wheat From The Chaff Reviewed in the United States on March 28, 2014 Each time I let it go off it popped, falling to the deck with a clatter. He was sitting on a stool and told me to stand in front of him and begin. Indeed, I have never met a shipmate would ever claim otherwise. 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HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s, HMS Ganges being broken up after training was transferred to the land base at Shotley, The boys climbed the mast whenever the base received high-status visitors, and as part of their training, The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym, The honours board from the HMS Ganges, showing the victories of all the Royal Navy ships bearing the name. Each evening after we had cleaned the mess, we took everything out of the locker rolled each item into a nine-inch sausage, tied white tape around both ends, and then placed every item on a blanket. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. It. It had to be a joke! The lower portion of the mast is steel, extending 18 feet (5.5 m) below ground and 30 feet (9.1 m) above ground. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. . Read about our approach to external linking. 5.0 out of 5 stars A real trip down memory lane. interesting .. photos of the old pool. H.M.S. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. 11.00 to 17.00 Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays between Easter and the end of October. When the Gunnery Instructor was finally satisfied, you put the lot back in your locker as before. I had thought that our group were the only sailors, if we dared call ourselves that, in this annexe, but I was soon to discover there was a continuous rotation of faces, each at various stages of initiation, a small factory taking in baby civilians at one end and throwing out almost sailors into the real HMS Ganges at the other. 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Shotley Marina, Shotley Gate, Ipswich, IP9 1QJ. Network 157.90../16 Abuse Contact API. By creating an account you agree to us emailing you with newsletters and discounts, which you can switch off in your account at any time. "A lot of the boys came from foster homes, or Barnardos. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. Roe told me "I don't like you." Ken said: It was a dreadful winter. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Find out more about HMS Ganges at www.hmsgangesmuseum.com, or visit the museum, located at the end of King Edward VII Drive, in Shotley, IP9 1QJ. 10/01/36- 08/02/36 HMS Pembroke. John Garrett. Nevertheless, as bad and as cruel as I have describe Ganges, I remain proud to call myself a Ganges Boy. 'Letters back to front, remember!' Recruits are shown how to stow a hammock - date of photograph unknown. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. 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