They both willingly, and without reservation, preach to co-ed groups all the time. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Im not seeing anyone speaking against her except small sources. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men. ), partnering with false teachers (thank you for noting this! This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. INTRODUCTION: :0), She also hangs out with Beth Moore. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective. Matthew 14:15-16. To think one can just enter there work into the public domain without criticism, is simply ludicrous! You may not agree with all of these points, but there is enough here to indicate that you should be very wary of getting involved with Priscilla Shirer studies. How to Live Beyond Yourself We can experience fullness of life by acknowledging our weakness, putting our past behind us, striving toward a worthy goal, and going for broke. With all that said, I do not say any of this out of ill intent, anger, or anything along those lines, I simply wanted to clarify, and say, that I agree with Michelles exegesis of (Matthew. Thank you, Michelle! Did anything frighten you this morning? My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. Either way, while it is fine to fellowship and join with people of other denominations who hold to biblical doctrine (I have plenty of friends, and listen to plenty of teachers, outside of my own denomination, but they all teach and conduct themselves in line with the Bibles teachings. Id encourage you not to take my word for it, but to examine the evidence against Scripture (in context, of course) for yourself. Your sermon reminded me about Peace of God and Love Finally, you summed up your blog post on why Christian women shouldnt follow, support or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer because she teaches men (though I cant find evidence of this but Im still lookin! There's more to my answer than you might think. I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. Its not simply a prohibition against women having a job as a pastor- theres more to it than that. Is highly recomended, presenting four distinctive views about going "beyond the Bible", in ethics and moral issues, each one written by serious scholar. What we believe about that is irrelevant. The silence he describes in the paragraph titled Line 1 could easily be construed to mean mystical/contemplative (i.e. Run as far away from both of them as possible. Id also like to recommend my article thats linked at the very top of this page: Answering the Opposition. In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. read more, Scripture: I guess I have to do some research on those folks. It will be called the good shepherd calls. Christians dont get to have our own personal opinions. (HaHaHa~ I KNOW Im going to be asked about this one by the ladies in our study. When this is done, I will go to the king, even though it is against the law. The original promo video I used for this article has been deleted, {so I replaced it with the one above}, but in the original video, Priscilla goes on to say) Thats one in a million. (I dont think she was building doctrine in this promotional video, but I could be wrong.). Scripture: He said he met with the teachers of the studies and told them to go over and compare everything biblically and under his guidance to finish out the study and after that thereally will be no more Priscilla Shirer in our church. If you're new or would like to comment, please see the "Welcome- Start Here" tab at the top of this page. If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. Untold millions of Christians over the last two thousand years have studied Gods word, grown close to Him, matured in their faith, and walked faithfully with Him throughout their lives. But believers are to grow to maturity in their relationship with Christ and their knowlege of His word. Yes, Im afraid thats exactly whats happening. Please see the links to our EXTRA Bible Study notes at the bottom of the page. Philippians 4:13 Verse Concepts I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. But I dont recall her suggesting that Christians meditate or pursue contemplative prayer. The problem at the Colossian church (the reason Paul wrote this epistle to them) was that false doctrine was starting to creep in. to me she lacks conviction of the word I dont hear it; she reminds me of Joel Osteen and thats not a compliment. As a Christian when we face difficulty God provides the means for us to be encouraged, but we are not just to languish in that resting place. Baptist. Let us look at it from a mindset point of view. What is certain is that Paul, in saying, "do not go beyond what is written," was not teaching sola scriptura. 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I've been reading a book by Francine Rivers lately about an old woman called Leota who loves the Lord and has an amazing impact upon the lives of other people in her life, yet is rejected and hated by her own daughter, Eleanor. I thought parables were a kind of means to read yourself into scripture? Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, From: Choose What is Right: A Study in Discernment- Lesson 1: Introduction. It just says dont. Period. And then help teach it to other women. We are officially in the middle or a Pandemic called COVID19. 5:7 ). In a day and age where any type of hope is needed, especially to the unchurched, I would listen to either Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer any day of the week over the news. Sometimes the Bible can be difficult because it steps on our toes, but I promise, I will always point you Scripture, not to stories, fluff, false doctrine, or your own opinions, feelings, and experiences. Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. Though there are others, these are the major doctrinal errors in this video, which is less than four minutes of teaching from Priscilla. Going Beyond Obedience. Before we move on to Priscilla, I just want to reiterate that preaching to men is not the only way Beth is unrepentantly breaking Scripture (although that is certainly enough to disqualify her as a teacher). *It's always a good idea to look back over life and think about the people who have made a difference: People who helped us in a time of need. She also teaches false doctrine (things that either are at odds with Scripture or arent in Scripture at all) and partners with other false teachers (people who teach false doctrine). TO IDENTIFY THREE DANGERS BELIEVERS ARE TO AVOID. The Bible doesnt say anything of the sort. I am always delighted to answer questions from, and help, women who sincerely want help understanding the problems with a false teacher, understanding Scripture, etc., even if those questions are long. read more, Scripture: 3. Well, technically, this article would fall under the category of discernment, but yes, I guess you could say Im into apologetics as all Christians are called to be :0). Copyright 2003-2023 | Outreach, Inc., All rights reserved. I am a born again Christian. Do you have other references to their false teaching? She seems somewhat self righteous. Thats good, but that doesnt change the fact that neither Beth nor Priscilla turn down speaking events that are open to both men and women. If you believe women shouldnt work, this includes you. And i have my wife to thank actually, because she asked me to help her find some pretty theologically sound ladies, and it was in a post Michelle did that she found what she was looking for. None. Job 36:26 Verse Concepts Why didnt you just study your Bible instead? This is not a Church. Josh 9:1. #4b- This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. No, this is a promotional clip in which Priscilla not only makes several incorrect biblical assertions, she uses those incorrect assertions as the foundation of this Bible study she has written. Some would call that circular reasoning. For example, the Bible clearly says that women are not to preach to or teach men in the church (2 Timothy 2:12). (And if you need any help getting started, Ive got some resources that will help you under the Bible Studies tab at the top of this page.) Also, if you had read the paragraph at the very top of this article and clicked on please click here and read this article first, your initial question in this comment (about sin) would have been answered. read more, Scripture: This title is taken directly from the text; verse 37 tells us that the people were astonished beyond measure. But we hope that as your faith increases, our area of influence among you will greatly increase as well, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. I have to do more research on how these powerhouse preachers are false teachers), teaching unbiblical prayer practices (I cant find where she teaches women about contemplative prayer~ but Im still lookin! The Mailbag: Is It OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? Some of the points you bring up give me pause. https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/christ-centered-silence-for-noisy-advent-season. I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, but in my mind, if there is a WOMENS Conference, and books written for women, and Bible Studies written for women, all of them are geared to women, they cant really help men being in attendance of their own perogative, but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart . or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. Matthew 18 does not apply to public false teaching. Ohmygoodness!!!! I think the following articles will be helpful in answering your question: You might also want to take a look at the other articles in my Rock Your Role series. Evangelical Dark Web. ROger Oakland of understanding the times and a few good men, are putting together a web site. It takes courage based in Jesus for you to do so, I am sure. Until that time, however, it saddens me to have to recommend that Christian women not follow Priscilla Shirer or any materials or activities from Going Beyond Ministries for the following reasons: Priscilla unrepentantly preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12-14(as well as other passages of Scripture that do not allow this). In a day and age where any type of hope is needed, especially to the unchurched, I would listen to either Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer any day of the week over the news. Priscilla Shirer is not as well known, which is probably why they havent gotten to her yet. Theres plenty of video evidence of it and witnesses who could testify to it. 2. Now, reading your post, I see that your words against her work and I do not understand why believers behave the way they do against fellow believers. I would recommend reading the book reviews and listening to the sermon reviews. A large chunk of the New Testament (Matthew 7:15-23, 2 Peter 2, 2 Timothy 3:1-7, the book of Jude, and many other passages) is devoted to warning people against false teaching. read more, Scripture: No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. What is a defining moment? Genesis 24 King James Version (KJV) Having just heard what efforts even St. Paul had to make to run in the Christian race, and how terribly their fathers in the wilderness had failed to meet the requirements of God, they might be inclined to throw up every effort in despair. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. No where did she usurp authority etc. Their focus is on Christian living type articles, not discernment (which is certainly fine, everybody has his own genre). Our desire is not only for all to understand His written Word but for all to experience His Power! But Jesus said unto them, They need not Ill let you know how we continue our course of action. That, plus being a faithful member of a doctrinally sound church and being taught the Word every week is the best way to learn the truth of Scripture and grow in Christ. Maybe references other than S. Michael Houdmann (I think Michael does a very nice job on his website but he and his wife started GotQuestions.org after he claims to have received a vision from God to help others and by your own admission, visions and feelings are not Godly direction.) The proper method of teaching Scripture is exegesis. Genesis 24:1-4. Nehemiah 8:10 Verse Concepts It was stated, that the big name pastors are no where to be found when standing against these deceptions. Hi Tiffany- Thanks for asking! Im surprised to hear thats her position. but i will look to the word of God , and i will talk to my pastor. Priscilla and her husband of 22 years, Jerry Shirer, lead Going Beyond Ministries through which they provide spiritual support and resources to the body of Christ. I thought Jesus used parables as a means of illustrating profound, divine truths. And how their lives could be changed, too. If anyone has more info. And His promises will never let you down or disappoint you. After all, Scripture teaches that Scripture is sufficient. Ive read her own account explaining this. If you need more examples, simply go to YouTube and type Priscilla Shirer sermon into the search bar. Not from Scripture. Here is a short http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com article on Lisa: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=10843, You can also tell a lot about these leaders by what events they speak at: Hey brother Saiko Woods! Priscilla Shirer is. The word astonished means to be struck with amazement. I KNOW this is your website and if I dont like it or cant relate to or dont understand what your position is on a particular topic~ I have the choice to stop reading. :0). She is the New York Times Best Selling author of more than two dozen books and has had featured roles in movies like War Room (2015), I Can Only Imagine (2018) and Overcomer (2019). What we believe about God must come from Scripture alone. If you have Priscillas contact information and can get her to talk to me (Ive attempted to communicate with her several times and have been ignored), I will be delighted to discuss this issue and the entirety of this article with her. unbiblical) meditation. In the videos Ive viewed, there are only women involved (with the exception of the camera guys and the lighting guys.) (This is where the video above ends. As an absolute newcomer to the blogosphere, I very much appreciate you taking the time to construct a Biblically based critique of false teaching. FOCAL POINT: TO IDENTIFY THREE DANGERS BELIEVERS MUST AVOID. 1. Second, almost without exception, every female Bible teacher I know of who unrepentantly instructs men also teaches other doctrinal error (usually Word of Faith, New Apostolic Reformation or seeker driven false doctrine). A NIGHTMARE ON DESERT STREET! Romans 4:18. Are they guiding and leading a flock (a church)? I do not endorse any of these sites in so far as any of them might deviate from Scripture or conflict with my beliefs as outlined in the Welcome or Statement of Faith tabs at the top of this page. Heres more info. THERE WERE Michelle Thank you for your work in the area of discernment. Well, that is why the rubber band was made, to be stretched. but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2012/10/introducing-priscilla-shirer-and-jesus.html. Do you send women to your articles as a response?. I hope youll find my response helpful anyway :0). Introduction to Beyond Sunday Series: In our modern You are an intelligent woman. Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. 2And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh: INTRODUCTION Lord, thank You that You are the Good Shepherd and You speak and we hear Your voice. TRUTH AND LOVE I think it should be obvious that a face to face discussion is different from a written one, so theres no need to go into that. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective.. The MEGA Live Event July 23rd, 2021 Tulips & Honey. In addition, Beth Moore violates other Scriptures including the ones prohibiting the teaching of false doctrine and yoking ourselves together with those who do. That's a possibility, but a better plan is that Scripture is Holy Spirit inspired. First, just because youve never heard of someone doesnt mean hes not a credible source (likewise just because someone is well known doesnt mean he is a credible source). And if I perish, I perish. Luke 9:1-10:20, Denomination: Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - THAT'S WHEN MIRACLES HAPPEN! Priscilla Shirer is a wife and mom of three boys hailing from the Dallas area. Otherwise, it appears this is a form of gossip.. Next, as I hope you would agree, Scripture is our final authority as Christians. God speaks to us and teaches us through the careful study and preaching of His word, not through subjective voices, feelings, and experiences in the rhythms of everyday living (what, precisely, does that phrase even mean?) Takes courage based in Jesus for you to grow in the grace knowledge! Teachers ( thank you for your work in the grace and knowledge Christ... 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